So is this now a charity livestream?

[alipdf]

Hey, i've been a livestream watcher since the start of athenelive.com and lately i have seen the shift of the stream from gaming and fun to "PLEASE GIVE DONATIONS" every 2 minutes

Before you call me a hater, troll ,heartless asshole, or mods, you lock/delete the thread read my whole post please!

Note : This is not a hate/troll/beg post, this is just stating something and i would like responses

Athenelive.com used to be amazing!

The arena personally was boring but league of legends game were crazy fun, the christmas livestream was crazy fun and the new years livestream was the best imo,

Athene combines alot of things , gaming,advice,science , real life stories etc and made us connect with him and have so much fun.

Now, on to my real point.

This livestream has changed from a gaming livestream into a FULL ON CHARITY website, that games a little.


What points am i going to throw now?

These :


1) Asking for donations - Every 2-3...sometimes 5 minutes , you ask to donate , and i realize this is neccesary but gets very annoying as , we as gamers and the athene community, want to watch good content not begging for donations every few minutes
2)How much time is spent on the OPSHARECRAFT.COM - The livestream is about 35-60% on the opsharecraft.com and it feels like , this is no longer a livestream for gaming or even fun! Its just "Hey guys , can you donate? Oh! u donated! thanks" and the cycle continues
3)Hungerstrike of athene - While i respect athene for doing this, there is no question about it that it reduces the livestream level quite alot, because after all this is called ATHENELIVE.COM not marallive or reeselive.



This is no longer athenelive.com , its no longer a gaming channel, its 2-3 people on screen messing around, asking for donations , giving shout outs ,explaining charity.

Todays livestream was different and refreshing but in the end , my hunch was right, the event lasted 2 hours, and as soon as it finished, Wupz, Back to charity again.


Now before you call me heartless, i as much a the next person would like to stop world hunger, and make the world peaceful, but you see its all about balance, you cant keep doing good without thinking about fun, and you cant keep gaming without giving a shit about charity.

You are shifting the focus too much and its damaging the fanbase(2-3k people watch the stream these days when in the start of this year before the charity it was 3-6 k per day.

I ask of the people, what are your thoughts regarding this? I mean yes i would like to help charity and stuff, but the athene community isn't this, we aren't a charity-oriented community, we are a gaming community who try to start movements like TTTT to help other gamers and make a better gaming community.


I hope this wont get deleted or locked, because these days even i have been wondering what happened to the old athene on ipower who fought against censorship , and now they are locking up random threads which disagree and state good points regarding the disagreement, censorship is bad no matter what, opinions are opinions, if we start censoring one statement just because you don't agree with it, then thats as bad as when youtube used to censor anti-scientology videos that you guys helped fight in ipower.


KEEP THE COMMENTS CIVIL AND SANE WITHOUT HATE/INSULTS/CRAZY STUFFZ , Again this is not a bashing but a statement that i believe is 100% true even though most of you dont want to hear it

[Marink]

For the time being , yes.
After they have raiser 1million dollars, stuff will change.

[Fido]

Athene's reality distortion field (RFD) is hilarious to observe because he can influence everyone he lives with. The hunger strike is not going to get mainstream media attention. Gaming media does not count as "mainstream". Mainstream = CNN, Fox, Dailymail etc.

It's sad, but it's true. People need to come to this realization sooner. The stream died months ago; milking it every single day for donations will finish it. Athene's demographic does not support his goals and his track record does not help. I don't support most of these fundraisers because they don't actually fix problems. They are just a temporary patch. These areas need big corporations to move in and inject money into the areas. The places need to be built from the ground up and it does not happen overnight. Hell, I am sure some areas don't even want to "modernize". A bunch of gamers are not going to fix the problem; they will only delay death.

Truth hurts.

Just quoting a post I made on another thread

[alipdf]

Athene's reality distortion field (RFD) is hilarious to observe because he can influence everyone he lives with. The hunger strike is not going to get mainstream media attention. Gaming media does not count as "mainstream". Mainstream = CNN, Fox, Dailymail etc.

It's sad, but it's true. People need to come to this realization sooner. The stream died months ago; milking it every single day for donations will finish it. Athene's demographic does not support his goals and his track record does not help. I don't support most of these fundraisers because they don't actually fix problems. They are just a temporary patch. These areas need big corporations to move in and inject money into the areas. The places need to be built from the ground up and it does not happen overnight. Hell, I am sure some areas don't even want to "modernize". A bunch of gamers are not going to fix the problem; they will only delay death.

Truth hurts.

Just quoting a post I made on another thread

Lovely post, intelligent , articulate yet truthful.


That is indeed one of the things i always bring to the table , the "This will not fix any problems" argument, this is a much much greater issue, that cant be solved by a few thousand people of the community.

Life is all about balance m8, all about balance, even doing good too much can harm you and others around you, if every person had balance , the world would be closest to perfection than ever.

[SaltyWhiskey]

Athene's reality distortion field (RFD) is hilarious to observe because he can influence everyone he lives with. The hunger strike is not going to get mainstream media attention. Gaming media does not count as "mainstream". Mainstream = CNN, Fox, Dailymail etc.

It's sad, but it's true. People need to come to this realization sooner. The stream died months ago; milking it every single day for donations will finish it. Athene's demographic does not support his goals and his track record does not help. I don't support most of these fundraisers because they don't actually fix problems. They are just a temporary patch. These areas need big corporations to move in and inject money into the areas. The places need to be built from the ground up and it does not happen overnight. Hell, I am sure some areas don't even want to "modernize". A bunch of gamers are not going to fix the problem; they will only delay death.

Truth hurts.

Just quoting a post I made on another thread

Lovely post, intelligent , articulate yet truthful.


That is indeed one of the things i always bring to the table , the "This will not fix any problems" argument, this is a much much greater issue, that cant be solved by a few thousand people of the community.

Life is all about balance m8, all about balance, even doing good too much can harm you and others around you, if every person had balance , the world would be closest to perfection than ever.

Look guys it's pretty simple. To quote myself as well:
Money cannot solve the problems faced in Africa and OpSharecraft has never professed to be about ‘fixing’ the continent. However in order for social change to occur a platform is required and media coverage is needed. Perhaps most importantly, it seems ludicrous to expect African civilians to take a stance and incite the social change necessary in order to begin the healing process required for change in their own future, when those same civilians are starving to death today.

Is Athenelive a charity stream? Certainly until the end of Sharecraft it is, yes. As for the whole 'mainstream' media vs. 'gaming media' thing.. Athene has been on mainstream media in the past for other things. Simple as that really. Utilising your followers to attract mainstream media attention when you have a following the size of Athene's is far from impossible, it's not even that difficult.

It requires tenacity and above all, support.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-778978

[generalN]

You can't say that the athene community doesn't like it. It's all about your personal interest. Just because you are a gamer doesn't mean that you can't enjoy this. I've also been watching for a long time and I like the stream atm. Some people don't like it but it will always be that way. Whatever they do on the stream.
It's not because of the charity the viewer count has dropped. It actually was lower before we did the charity.
Also, why should the stream be so categorised, the way you apparently want it to be. When we have reached 1 million they will do something else. Diablo lll is about to happen aswell. Since the charity haven't been more negative than positive (only in your opinion) I don't really understand why you felt like bringing this up. You've posted your opinion, which is fine, but I don't like when you say that our community has the same opinion cause that is not the case.

[generalN]

Athene's reality distortion field (RFD) is hilarious to observe because he can influence everyone he lives with. The hunger strike is not going to get mainstream media attention. Gaming media does not count as "mainstream". Mainstream = CNN, Fox, Dailymail etc.

It's sad, but it's true. People need to come to this realization sooner. The stream died months ago; milking it every single day for donations will finish it. Athene's demographic does not support his goals and his track record does not help. I don't support most of these fundraisers because they don't actually fix problems. They are just a temporary patch. These areas need big corporations to move in and inject money into the areas. The places need to be built from the ground up and it does not happen overnight. Hell, I am sure some areas don't even want to "modernize". A bunch of gamers are not going to fix the problem; they will only delay death.

Truth hurts.

Just quoting a post I made on another thread

Lovely post, intelligent , articulate yet truthful.


That is indeed one of the things i always bring to the table , the "This will not fix any problems" argument, this is a much much greater issue, that cant be solved by a few thousand people of the community.

Life is all about balance m8, all about balance, even doing good too much can harm you and others around you, if every person had balance , the world would be closest to perfection than ever.

you guys... We aren't aiming at fixing the problem. We are aiming at saving lifes while spreading awareness about the hunger crisis. Are you really that negative towards things. Don't you see a good reason to do this=. Honestly, you gotta start somewhere and this can, I'm not saying it will but it can, have a big impact in raising awareness which eventually leads more and more to solving the problem. Also lifes are being saved with this money which is great.
Btw, the stream did not die months ago.

[Halaberiel]

SaltyWhiskey, ireport is user submitted news, it has basically no affiliation with CNN. They've yet to reach any mainstream media, and I honestly don't think they will unless the hunger strike goes on for a lot longer. I mean why would they? Who in the real world (outside of our small niche community) really cares if we're being honest?

I think the charity project is having more of an impact on their Youtube account than the livestream. I don't know, but I'd guess from his subscriber numbers that his viewers don't care much about the charity work, they're there to be entertained not preached to. If he doesn't want his Youtube account to fail he needs to put up more gaming content on that site, and on a regular basis. This is more aimed at Reese since I know he edits the Youtube videos. I mean honestly, for the amount they earn from Youtube, I don't think it's much to ask for a few hours a week to make 1 video. ONE video per week like what Swifty releases would be more than enough, provided it's actually funny/interesting & more than 3 minutes. I don't know what you guys are doing that makes you so busy, but I know if I had 600k subscribers I'd spend more time on it than you seem to. Perhaps you are taking your fans for granted? You see smaller youtubers uploading content daily, why can't you do that?

Regarding the livestream. It's hard because I can see it from their perspective as well. Donations are higher when they're doing shout outs, and that's their focus at the moment. But you've gotta be careful, it could permanently damage the site if people keep tuning in then never coming back. It's harder to comment on this though, because even if they were gaming constantly I'm not sure they would of gained that many more viewers. That's the big question: game more, get more viewers, but get less donations; or game less, get less viewers but more donations. I guess they've come to the conclusion that the latter is better. I think the damage is less with the livestream since the user base isn't as large as with Youtube.

Something else I'd like to point out though. I think what you're doing with Amnesia is fucking wrong. Seriously. Don't say "We'll only play if we get xx amount of donations"... Don't make people feel as though they have to donate. Seriously it's just wrong. If you feel you're not getting the donations you want through playing that game then don't play it, but don't start begging people to donate so you can play more. I know it's for a good cause but that's just not on imo.

EDIT: Please don't turn this thread into a discussion of whether you should give to charity or not

[SaltyWhiskey]

SaltyWhiskey, ireport is user submitted news, it has basically no affiliation with CNN.

I didn't say it wasn't user submitted?

Who in the real world (outside of our small niche community) really cares if we're being honest?

About Africa? No one, of course not that's why nothing's been done about it before. C'mon.

I think the charity project is having more of an impact on their Youtube account than the livestream. I don't know, but I'd guess from his subscriber numbers that his viewers don't care much about the charity work, they're there to be entertained not preached to. If he doesn't want his Youtube account to fail he needs to put up more gaming content on that site, and on a regular basis.

Perhaps you are taking your fans for granted? You see smaller youtubers uploading content daily, why can't you do that?

Please don't assume that because you are not totally completely 100% on board with what's happening that you're a voice of reason, it's quite insulting to people. I'm a fan and I don't remotely taken for granted. Similarly I can see how much work the livestream is taking and I'm not living in cloud cuckoo land where I think Athene and his team have a hundred hours in the day.

For crying out loud guys, when did you all get so needy? Do you not get a bit embarrassed when you're typing this stuff out? I'm sorry, I don't really want to be rude but I can't get my head around how in the 5 minutes it takes to type a lengthy post some wouldn't stop and think 'I sound like a spoiled child'.

Feedback is one thing but these repetative complaint threads from a minority of people are getting really dull.

[generalN]

SaltyWhiskey, ireport is user submitted news, it has basically no affiliation with CNN. They've yet to reach any mainstream media, and I honestly don't think they will unless the hunger strike goes on for a lot longer. I mean why would they? Who in the real world (outside of our small niche community) really cares if we're being honest?

I think the charity project is having more of an impact on their Youtube account than the livestream. I don't know, but I'd guess from his subscriber numbers that his viewers don't care much about the charity work, they're there to be entertained not preached to. If he doesn't want his Youtube account to fail he needs to put up more gaming content on that site, and on a regular basis. This is more aimed at Reese since I know he edits the Youtube videos. I mean honestly, for the amount they earn from Youtube, I don't think it's much to ask for a few hours a week to make 1 video. ONE video per week like what Swifty releases would be more than enough, provided it's actually funny/interesting & more than 3 minutes. I don't know what you guys are doing that makes you so busy, but I know if I had 600k subscribers I'd spend more time on it than you seem to. Perhaps you are taking your fans for granted? You see smaller youtubers uploading content daily, why can't you do that?

Regarding the livestream. It's hard because I can see it from their perspective as well. Donations are higher when they're doing shout outs, and that's their focus at the moment. But you've gotta be careful, it could permanently damage the site if people keep tuning in then never coming back. It's harder to comment on this though, because even if they were gaming constantly I'm not sure they would of gained that many more viewers. That's the big question: game more, get more viewers, but get less donations; or game less, get less viewers but more donations. I guess they've come to the conclusion that the latter is better.

Something else I'd like to point out though. I think what you're doing with Amnesia is fucking wrong. Seriously. Don't say "We'll only play if we get xx amount of donations"... Don't make people feel as though they have to donate. Seriously it's just wrong. If you feel you're not getting the donations you want through playing that game then don't play it, but don't start begging people to donate so you can play more. I know it's for a good cause but that's just not on imo.

EDIT: Please don't turn this thread into a discussion of whether you should give to charity or not

They aren't selfish and we shouldn't debate wether they get enough money or not, cause they make it work and also they doesn't seem to be losing their audiance. They have a really strong drive and they believe in what they do. It hurts their YT in your opinion. It probably does but it's not hurting the channel too much. I don't know why every1 is having so strong feelings about how they should run their own stream/yt channel when it is working out for them. Don't get me wrong, they have to think about their viewers aswell. They have to take in consideration what their audiance wants, but not too much. What you are saying doesn't make much sense cause they aren't having big problems atm.
You are having tunnel vision about the amnesia thing. They have a goal to reach every day and they want to be as effective as possible. The viewers ask for amnesia and the crew says that they can play but not if the donations stops. (doesn't come in as fast) Again, they need to stay effective and they dont want to play amnesia if it's less effective. To please the viewers they play, but then they want it to stay as effective. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't think that people feel like they HAVE to donate just cause they want to watch amnesia, I mean.. come on man do you really think that=

[alipdf]

SaltyWhiskey, ireport is user submitted news, it has basically no affiliation with CNN.

I didn't say it wasn't user submitted?

Who in the real world (outside of our small niche community) really cares if we're being honest?

About Africa? No one, of course not that's why nothing's been done about it before. C'mon.

I think the charity project is having more of an impact on their Youtube account than the livestream. I don't know, but I'd guess from his subscriber numbers that his viewers don't care much about the charity work, they're there to be entertained not preached to. If he doesn't want his Youtube account to fail he needs to put up more gaming content on that site, and on a regular basis.

Perhaps you are taking your fans for granted? You see smaller youtubers uploading content daily, why can't you do that?

Please don't assume that because you are not totally completely 100% on board with what's happening that you're a voice of reason, it's quite insulting to people. I'm a fan and I don't remotely taken for granted. Similarly I can see how much work the livestream is taking and I'm not living in cloud cuckoo land where I think Athene and his team have a hundred hours in the day.

For crying out loud guys, when did you all get so needy? Do you not get a bit embarrassed when you're typing this stuff out? I'm sorry, I don't really want to be rude but I can't get my head around how in the 5 minutes it takes to type a lengthy post some wouldn't stop and think 'I sound like a spoiled child'.

Feedback is one thing but these repetative complaint threads from a minority of people are getting really dull.

Spoiled children? Why? I watch a tv show and play a game to have fun and watch athene to be involved, i don't watch it for the charity, you know i hate the way you think, these are the hypocrites that are littered all over the world

"HERP DERP YOU CANT SAY THAT ITS CHARITY DONT BE SPOILT BLA BLA BLA"

We are having a rational discussion here, dont shift it into something that is "Dont you dare say that, you spoilt fuck"

[SaltyWhiskey]

I haven't said your opinion is invalid. I'm pointing out that calling something a "rational discussion" is all well and good but when its entire basis is upon the fact that it doesn't cater towards your own personal preferences of entertainment, it might be time to wake up and realise that it's because... it's not made to cater towards your own personal preferences of entertainment.

Not to state the obvious or anything.

But since you mentioned television, when they show a program that you don't like to you email them and complain? Do you go and camp outside their offices to make sure it's changed, because you think that's what's best for you? When it comes to entertainment on the internet people seem to have a whole new found sense of self-entitlement that reassures them that they're acting in everyone's best interests to bitch about something that they don't find as personally entertaining as they used to.

By no means am I saying you have no right to say what you say, nor am I using words like 'herp' or 'derp'. I'm tired though, as are many others - of seeing this influx of people who are taking it upon themselves to splurge their opinion (as plenty have before, usually making all the same points) and doing it in a form that's supposed to inspire some sort of rallying response to change what Athene's doing so that they're entertained again.

Herpa fucking derp.

[alipdf]

I haven't said your opinion is invalid. I'm pointing out that calling something a "rational discussion" is all well and good but when its entire basis is upon the fact that it doesn't cater towards your own personal preferences of entertainment, it might be time to wake up and realise that it's because... it's not made to cater towards your own personal preferences of entertainment.

Not to state the obvious or anything.

But since you mentioned television, when they show a program that you don't like to you email them and complain? Do you go and camp outside their offices to make sure it's changed, because you think that's what's best for you? When it comes to entertainment on the internet people seem to have a whole new found sense of self-entitlement that reassures them that they're acting in everyone's best interests to bitch about something that they don't find as personally entertaining as they used to.

By no means am I saying you have no right to say what you say, nor am I using words like 'herp' or 'derp'. I'm tired though, as are many others - of seeing this influx of people who are taking it upon themselves to splurge their opinion (as plenty have before, usually making all the same points) and doing it in a form that's supposed to inspire some sort of rallying response to change what Athene's doing so that they're entertained again.

Herpa fucking derp.

Its not a personal prefrence its what its about! If theres a tv show called " SHARK EATS MAN" ...Its not about planting flowers, its about SHARKS.

The athenelive is a gaming livestream NOT a charity livestream.

A personal prefrence would be me not liking part of the stream, not requesting what is supposed to be the norm, and if you think im alone in this , then you are gravely mistaken, the people who don't like it aren't here posting in the forum

P.S.
"nor am I using words like 'herp' or 'derp' "
"Herpa fucking derp."

Confused....

[SaltyWhiskey]

The athenelive is a gaming livestream NOT a charity livestream.

Is that not what your thread is about? As people have answered - Sharecraft should have given it away. For the time being yes, it's predominantly a charity stream. Asking it over and over isn't going to change that. Similarly, addressing the posts that make negative points about the stream and ignoring the others doesn't do much to disguise anything, just a tip.

"nor am I using words like 'herp' or 'derp' "
"Herpa fucking derp."

Confused....

I see you got that joke perfectly.

Anyway, I've no interest in getting into a stupid argument. I'll leave you to your rational discussion.

[Halaberiel]

SaltyWhiskey popular TV shows have support forums. When people see something they've watched for a long time go downhill they tend to comment. Isn't it better people raise their issues rather than just going elsewhere?

You guys say it isn't hurting their channel, check his subscriber numbers, it's obvious that it is. There's something wrong when you lose 34k subs in 1 month... Never mind losing subs, simply having a net loss is a problem... But anyway I'm sure he knows this & just chooses to ignore it. People like myself & others that post here will eventually give up & go elsewhere, it's only a matter of time. It's a shame tis all.

He knows it anyway, perhaps part of the problem is this unsubscribe bug, but I think he knows himself that's not the only reason for his channel declining (and yes not having sub gains is a loss in real terms).

Re: being taken for granted. Well the content just isn't there, what can I say? I've seen it happen before: the bigger you become the less you tend to care. Also it doesn't take 100 hours to make a youtube video dude, it takes a few hours max.

[SaltyWhiskey]

You guys say it isn't hurting their channel, check his subscriber numbers, it's obvious that it is. There's something wrong when you lose 34k subs in 1 month... Never mind losing subs, simply having a net loss is a problem... But anyway I'm sure he knows this & just chooses to ignore it. People like myself & others that post here will eventually give up & go elsewhere, it's only a matter of time. It's a shame tis all.

He knows it anyway, perhaps part of the problem is this unsubscribe bug, but I think he knows himself that's not the only reason for his channel declining (and yes not having sub gains is a loss in real terms).

Oh one last try before I jump off a cliff. For the millionth, billionth time. Athene's sub increase was rising whilst still losing subs - you can look it up anywhere you like it's in full public view. It means that if it weren't for the bug, his sub would have been increasing, as it had been for 5 months at an increasing rate. If you'd been looking closely you'd have noticed the abrupt stop when the bug was temp-fixed like.. 1-2 weeks ago? Sub count has remained pretty steady since then. Put simply, the charity stuff has had an impact (and would have continued to do so) but it's an increase in subs, not a loss. This isn't a matter of opinion you can go and look it up yourself the numbers are all available online, so feel free to - there's no need to guess.

[Halaberiel]

You guys say it isn't hurting their channel, check his subscriber numbers, it's obvious that it is. There's something wrong when you lose 34k subs in 1 month... Never mind losing subs, simply having a net loss is a problem... But anyway I'm sure he knows this & just chooses to ignore it. People like myself & others that post here will eventually give up & go elsewhere, it's only a matter of time. It's a shame tis all.

He knows it anyway, perhaps part of the problem is this unsubscribe bug, but I think he knows himself that's not the only reason for his channel declining (and yes not having sub gains is a loss in real terms).

Oh one last try before I jump off a cliff. For the millionth, billionth time. Athene's sub increase was rising whilst still losing subs - you can look it up anywhere you like it's in full public view. It means that if it weren't for the bug, his sub would have been increasing, as it had been for 5 months at an increasing rate. If you'd been looking closely you'd have noticed the abrupt stop when the bug was temp-fixed like.. 1-2 weeks ago? Sub count has remained pretty steady since then. Put simply, the charity stuff has had an impact (and would have continued to do so) but it's an increase in subs, not a loss. This isn't a matter of opinion you can go and look it up yourself the numbers are all available online, so feel free to - there's no need to guess.

I did check before making that post, otherwise I wouldn't of given the figure that I did. Check it here: http://vidstatsx.com/AtheneWins/youtube-channel. Even if it was fixed he's still been losing a lot of subs. Something I just noticed is that he's been getting a lot less views recently too... I'm only saying this to emphasize the fact that there's a problem with the content, you can admit that this is true no? Perhaps things will recover after the charity event, only time will tell I guess. I hope so at least.

[ShammyWoWLoL]

Regardless of the final picture of the livestream, the stream consists of the same entertainment as it always did. Regardless if the money they earn via donations/ad revenue are sent to themselves, or a charity.


If anything this livestream has led to us getting more entertainment, such as Abraham "serious" acting requests and such. The livestream is more interactive/entertaining than ever. And yes I'm even comparing it to December/January AtheneLive.

As of right now they are working towards a charity, but regardless Athene's Hungerstrike is ending soon, so we will go back to "da gaimez" aka 5v5/LoL and such.

Not gonna bother even getting close that argument/discussion above me.

[SaltyWhiskey]

Not gonna bother even getting close that argument/discussion above me.

I regret the pointlessness of it already.

[generalN]

I've read through the thread and I must say that I'm amazed. Not gonna say how but I am.
I don't want to get involved but some stuff made me want to put my fingers on the keyboard.

The athenelive is a gaming livestream NOT a charity livestream.

Who are you to decide!=

I doesn't matter how much you say that it isn't about personal preferences cause it is.

Also you are constantly making assumptions about stuff that you have no idea about. For example how Athene reacts and thinks around this whole thing.